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« Thread started on: Oct 27th, 2005, 11:51am »

In this thread some unorthodox views are presented...

It is well known that Leibniz thought that God creates the best world and then he sustains it. However, he can also end the world if he so pleases. What if God had second thoughts? He found out that the world he created was no good and he decided to end it and make a better world?
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 25th, 2005, 4:54pm »

leibniz´ god does not have second thoughts. it is out of dimensions like space and time - concepts that derive from limited modes of perception.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 27th, 2005, 09:09am »

You're quite right. It seems to be my limited understanding that I did not get it the first time.

And, of course, the world keeps getting better all the time...
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 20th, 2006, 11:00pm »

"the world keeps getting better all the time"

huh

sorry but i could not get what you mean by that..
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 27th, 2006, 09:06am »

on Dec 20th, 2006, 11:00pm, salamisisle wrote:
"the world keeps getting better all the time"

huh

sorry but i could not get what you mean by that..


In some of his writings Leibniz suggests that the world increases continually in perfection. See, for example, Theodicy §202:

"Taking the whole sequence of things, the best has no equal; but one part of the sequence may be equalled by another part of the same se-quence. Besides it might be said that the whole sequence of things to infinity may be the best possible, although what exists all through the universe in each portion of time be not the best. It might be therefore that the universe became even better and better, if the nature of things were such that it was not permitted to attain to the best all at once."
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 9:23pm »

What if God works through us in our own subconscious minds and in that we do not live up to our own(his) standards, we ourselves destroy it? Thus the more evil we do or the more ignorant we are of this message, the more destruction we cause. However, in the vein of Leibniz, the opposite would hold true as well. With Leibniz arguing that we feel happy when we are virtuous and unhappy when we are selfish--the guiding principle has already been created within us (reason-conscience). Thus God has given us the power to create our own hell or our own paradise depending on how far we separate ourselves from these inner directives being put into action (virtues being dependent on our fellow human beings and in many cases the world itself). A most perfectly created world indeed!
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 6th, 2012, 05:03am »

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A most perfectly created world indeed!


Not for the pessimists among us. If indeed that was the case, some would expect it to degenerate into savagery.
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